• jroberts548

    That Terry Crews story is insane. He shared on twitter that he had been groped by a Hollywood executive. He didn’t do anything about it because he didn’t want to be blacklisted.

    Terry Crews! Have you seen Terry Crews? How invincible to consequences do you have to be to think you can get away with groping someone that could kill you with his bare hands?

    It is so deeply fucked up that actors are more afraid of getting blackballed than producers.

    • Dead Jerk Jerk Dead

      I read his tweets, and he said flat-out that “240 lb black man stomps out Hollywood executive” would’ve been the headline the next day, except that he wouldn’t have been able to read it because he’d have been in jail. This only happened like a year or two ago; this wasn’t early in his career.

    • Crimson Pico

      It’s not an exaggeration that the higher up you go in the Hollywood food chain, the more invincible you feel – and why shouldn’t you, since it mostly plays out that way in fact. It’s a really rotten industry by design (which isn’t to say that there aren’t good people in it, but that it structurally disadvantages good people in a lot of ways.) Could write a whole book on this, but it’s not my story to tell.

      • Conor Malcolm Crockford

        I’m reading The Fade Out right now (just finished the Act Two TPB) and indeed the whole book operates in that Ellroyan certainty that Hollywood is a bad, bad place, where even if you’re a genuinely good person you’re going to be compromised by any knowledge you pick up about the powerful and your inability to do anything about that without fucking up your career. Brubakers been working more in Hollywood lately and I wonder now if his viewpoint has worsened.

  • Dead Jerk Jerk Dead

    I’m still kind of blown away by the Screen Junkies reveal. I wasn’t exactly shocked by Harry Knowles and I wasn’t even vaguely surprised by the Weinstein allegations (which I thought was common knowledge at this point, actually), but I didn’t see that one coming. I guess it’s just that kind of industry (or culture, or world).

    Anyway, this whole thing reminds me of Pascal’s definition of tyranny, “To insist on doing in one way that which can only be accomplished in another.” A porn star getting Howard Stern to compliment her genius IQ after a softball trivia game, a wealthy man contributing money to a school to add some unearned letters after his name and an influential figure in a difficult industry bullying sexual favors he had no rights to all fall under that definition. It’s been a surprisingly sturdy one for me over the years.

    One detail that really grabbed me in this, almost as a thought experiment of sorts, was Rose McGowan’s firing off at Ben Affleck. She’s not wrong: all these people tut-tutting like they hadn’t heard anything and had no idea and were floored, just floored that “wait, this is who he really was all along?!?” are being ridiculous. But, flip side: what does she think Affleck should’ve done? He was a young upstart trying to get his movie made; should he have read a powerful movie exec the riot act based on a rumor? And once the rumors were more concrete and he was doing business with him, what then? Just quit the industry?

    I’m not saying that there wasn’t room for action; there clearly was. (Like I said, the chorus of clutch-my-pearls gaspers are being *ridiculous*.) And I’m not saying lines weren’t crossed all over the place to keep this tragic farce running, especially when public character assassination was a day-to-day tool of oppression. But I do sympathize with some of the outliers in this, even as I delight to see what looks to me like long-overdue justice actually occur in a place I assumed it never would. It’s not because their actions are justified or were right, but because I suspect that they’re guilty of taking part in the same insidious compromises that we all do, and that we generally would’ve if we were in their shoes.

    As a postscript, my opinion of Brad Pitt improved to learn that he threatened the man with a “Missouri whooping” if he touched his then-girlfriend Gwyneth Paltrow again. I didn’t hate him before, but I gained a type of respect for him I don’t usually have for Hollywood types. He stands as a striking contrast to the mewling, pedestrian lack of spine in all of this: you have to live your life a certain way to be ready to walk away from it like that, young and free of responsibilities or not.

    • Dead Jerk Jerk Dead
    • Cennywise The Ploughn

      . It’s not because their actions are justified or were right, but because I suspect that they’re guilty of taking part in the same insidious compromises that we all do, and that we generally would’ve if we were in their shoes.

      I think part of this is people realizing their observation isn’t an isolated incident but a discreet part in a much larger story. Each woman was isolated in their experience by being intimidated into silence on the topic. This silence meant only certain people had the complete picture of the scope of the system (and those people are on a whole ‘nother level of shitty).

      To apply McGowan’s criticism of Affleck to Brad Pitt – we can ask why didn’t he go farther? Why didn’t he report Weinstein’s actions to Miramax’s board or to the press? It boils down to a handful of possibilities: 1) he was unaware that this was a pattern of behavior and dealt with the isolated incident he was aware of, 2) he knew this was a larger problem and didn’t care or was unable or unwilling to take the risk to address it. I can believe option 1 is the overall case for people like Pitt and Affleck (with the specter of 2 hovering). I’d rather believe that people are myopic about their problems than people would knowingly ignore a system of monstrosity, but I know it would have to be a combination of the two possibilities for this to happen.

      Either way, as more and more people speak out and the scope of the story becomes clear, option 1 disappears and, like Churchill’s (supposed) assessment of Americans, people will start doing the right thing once all other options are cut off.

      • Dead Jerk Jerk Dead

        I self-replied there but apparently Affleck isn’t such a good platonic thought experiment to apply to all of this, since he allegedly has his own peccadilloes to keep under wraps. But taken as I understood it when I typed that (magic words ever), I can imagine a situation where there just wasn’t a clear path to any constructive outcome for someone caught up in the complicity who hated it but only saw reprisals coming from saying something, without anything actually improving for anyone.

        I could maybe-kinda-sorta see the board not knowing – I’ve worked with some unbelievably disconnected boards – but it’s very, very, very difficult for me to believe that Miramax’s operational leadership was all so ignorant as they’re claiming now. Professional honeypots, routine six-figure payoffs, personal favoritism among casts and coordinated smear campaigns all show up in an organization leader’s day-to-day behavior–and on a financial bottom line. I mean, there’s just no way they didn’t know. And if some outside witness understood that as part of the situation, what is gained by going to them? The police will want to hear from the actual victim, not a rumor-bearer, of course. And the journalists, well, at least they’re doing their job now.

        • Cennywise The Ploughn

          Yeah, there’s some people who had the whole picture (or enough of it to not have deniability) and still did the wrong thing. For the majority (I hope) who were only aware of an incident or two and are not total degenerates, they’ll hopefully wake up soon in a culture where you don’t have to have the whole picture to speak up – where a single incident is enough to warrant investigation. To make an extreme analogy, if there were rumors of a CEO killing a guy – just one person as far as you know – you would be pressed into action even if this were an isolated incident and not a serial behavior. Such is the way crimes against women are hopefully considered in the future.

    • clytie

      “One detail that really grabbed me in this, almost as a thought experiment of sorts, was Rose McGowan’s firing off at Ben Affleck. She’s not wrong: all these people tut-tutting like they hadn’t heard anything and had no idea and were floored, just floored that “wait, this is who he really was all along?!?” are being ridiculous.”

      Someone on Reddit said, “I’m nobody and I heard jokes about Weinstein being a creep before I even knew who Weinstein was.”

      • Dead Jerk Jerk Dead

        I was initially surprised at the reaction because I honestly thought this was common knowledge. I live in Michigan, I don’t even act in community theater any more, I don’t read gossip sites or the like, etc. I just thought everyone knew this already.

      • Cennywise The Ploughn

        There’s kind of a similar feeling as when the pattern of abuse in the Catholic church became front page news a decade ago. There wasn’t really another way to report it other than “can you believe this??” even while a large segment of the population, uh, could believe it.

  • Conor Malcolm Crockford

    I hadn’t heard Film Critic Hulk had quit Birth Movies Death, good for him.

    And now this emerges and doesn’t even surprise me, mostly because if I’d heard these rumors before, its absurd to believe that Crowe and Damon hadn’t, but its sad and fucked up that they’d actively squash them: http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/damon-crowe-reportedly-helped-kill-nyt-weinstein-article.html

  • Holy shit, hadn’t heard about Film Crit Hulk. I know people around the Dissolve sphere give him a hard time, but I think he ultimately seems like he’s got his heart in the right place, and this seems like a worthwhile action on his part.

  • Rube E. Tewesday

    Mia Kirshner, in a Canadian paper, told a bit about her own run-in with Weinstein, but also had a bunch of ideas for change. One of the easiest and most sensible: The actors’ unions should insist that meetings not be held in hotel rooms. And, I’m like:Seriously, in what line of work do you meet attractive young women in hotel rooms, other than pimping?

    • thesplitsaber

      What ive been wondering is if SAG (at least) can implement some sort of whistleblower protections.